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Title: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 23, 2015, 10:37:15 PM
This is an ALL original 81 LTD. Everything on this machine is in mint condition. The sled runs and drives and works perfectly. 3000 miles and still a piece worthy of a museum. 100% original. No chops or replaced parts. It has new fuel lines and new gas and oil. Im open to offers or trades but it is for sale on craigslist for $3500 obo. i am in central massachusetts. My cell is 860-808-4795
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: mswyka on February 24, 2015, 06:49:25 AM
The best I have ever seen a 81 LTD sell for is $1,700.  What have you other guys seen recently?
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: greeno on February 24, 2015, 07:03:28 AM
Price doubles for locations with snow. 
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: DougKauer on February 24, 2015, 07:07:22 AM
It wasn't a 81 ltd, but a rarer 1980 Kawasaki 4/6 ltd with under 500 miles went for $1750 and I just missed out on this one. This is about an hour from me and I might go and look  at it, but I think it is only worth about maybe $1500 - $1600.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 07:08:48 AM
Invader 440's are selling in real nice condition for $1500. This sled will go to someone with enough money to store it in their garage or showroom with their other prized pieces and not drive it. The seat cover in perfect condition could bring $500 alone. the motor, the carbs, the belly pan, the hood, the windshield, the tunnel, etc, etc, all perfect condition. When it warms up again I will take some more pics.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 07:10:54 AM
The 80 4/6 is not as rare as the 81 & 82 4/8. I have 2 80 4/6's and can find parts if i needed them or hack up an invader for parts. The 81 & 82's have keihin carburetors with accelerator pumps and more beefy suspension and a lot of differences under a scope.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 07:17:16 AM
More heavy duty skis, drive shaft, keihin instead of mikuni, 8 ports in a mono block head motor instead of 6, All the "theories of operation" from the 4/6 were changed in the 81 and 82. They referred to the properties of the engines as theories because it was all new proptotypes they were trying (80, 81, & 82). All this info is in the original shop manual for these sleds. They are about 250 pages of every aspect of the machine.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 07:24:11 AM
I have serial # oooo11 1980 4/6. Its in my profile pic. That needs a new crank seal $10, new seat cover, belly pan, and rear shock., the carbs are mikuni which you can find pretty much anywhere.  I have an invader 440 i paid $150 i will take apart to rebuild the 4/6. After all that id say its worth around $1500 or more definitely. This '81 makes it look like scrap.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 07:51:18 AM
Original msrp was $3500-$4000 which is about $10,000+ in todays market. After 911 the price of metals skyrocketed. If this machine is in like new condition and still drives like its 1981 outside the factory, maybe it should be worth more. If kawasaki ever decides to make a snowmobile again the price will triple. Kawasaki was making engines for years till 1976 they made their first complete sled, with all japanese components and american engineers and assemblers. They spanked the competition for 6+ years and pulled the plug in 1982. Why? Mysteriousness adds value. The dual spark plug was "theorized" as a turbo without a turbo. More clean burn, less octane fuel, less unburned fuel. The 8 ports instead of 6 allowed for a faster release of burned fuel which made the cycle much quicker. 95mph in 1980~ on snow. You could have a brand new $15000 mountain sled and the next guy with money could buy one identical. These rare old sleds couldnt be reproduced with a blank check to kawasaki, and side by side new and old, the old one will be much more to talk about guaranteed. It was also the nicest, most expensive sled of its time that money could buy. Rarity adds value. LTD~ Living The Dream...
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: gixxer6 on February 24, 2015, 12:09:02 PM
Nice looking sled!  Good luck with the sale. 

As far as the value goes...Having it sit next to an Arctic Cat reduces the Value by at least 25%!  J/K   8) 
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Tory944 on February 24, 2015, 01:54:44 PM
It is hard to put a price on a NICE example...  it all depends on how BAD someone wants it!  I've been known to spend more than the going rates!  LOL

Unfortunately, the following for the Kawis isn't what it is for other brands so the number of potential buyers for the Kawi is much lower.  I just picked up a comparable condition 81 LTD with less than 750 miles for about $600 in a package deal with another sled.  $600 was a steal IMO.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 03:29:14 PM
there was a guy selling an 81 ltd and a 79 invader for about that and they were both real banged up, up in Maine. i passed on the deal. Youre definitely right about the amnt of people who know about kawis but it seems like mre and more peole are getting into vintage riding. Instead of who can go the fastest, now its who can go the farthest lol
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 24, 2015, 03:31:42 PM
i got that 1999 zrt800 for 1200. runs beautiful for a big backyard beater.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Tory944 on February 24, 2015, 03:47:42 PM
Nope.  The 81' LTD I bought came from WI.  No good kawis in Maine.  I haven't purchased a single vintage sled in my own home state!
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: DougKauer on February 25, 2015, 09:49:50 AM
A few years  back a guy in New York State had a 1980 4/6 Kawasaki Invader that he fully restored  with many NOS parts and he was asking $1750. If the 1981 LTD had only maybe 200 orig. miles.  $2000 at the most. This price is too high.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Tory944 on February 25, 2015, 10:04:12 AM
Never seen a "real nice" Invader sell for $1500.  Seen a couple for that asking price, but they are still for sale.  Most I ever spent on an all original 78' (beautiful one owner sled) was $1200.  Ironically, the sled was on ebay and it didn't hit the seller's reserve.  I called him after the auction ended and offered his reserve. ;)  Just bought a low mileage (nice) 79' 340 Invader for $750.  Again, it BARELY hit reserve and only sold because I bid!  Nice 81' Invader paid $1100 out of Canada...  nice 80' 4/6 in WI for $1500...   let's see...   I overpaid for a nice, original, low mile 82' LTD at $1700.  Sold a "very nice" 81' LTD a few years ago for $850 (MINT SEAT)...  yada, yada...  just sayin!
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: mswyka on February 25, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
A few years  back a guy in New York State had a 1980 4/6 Kawasaki Invader that he fully restored  with many NOS parts and he was asking $1750. If the 1981 LTD had only maybe 200 orig. miles.  $2000 at the most. This price is too high.

Doug:  I saw that sled up close and personal - a masterpiece if there was one - not a spot of grease or oxidation when he got done with that sled.  I could have bought it for $1,200.  It ended up going to California of all places!
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 26, 2015, 05:09:55 AM
Exactly like you said. FULLY RESTORED.This is untouched all originall. Much more valuable.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 26, 2015, 05:10:40 AM
And an 80 4/6 is not as nice or rare as an 81 or 82.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 26, 2015, 05:18:43 AM
If all Kawasaki snowmobiles are to you is a sled, then you dont appreciate the history. These are not just fancy utility sleds. They were luxury muscle snowmobiles. They did 90~mph and havent had anything made in the last 35 years. Its a great thing you all got such good deals on fancy utilty sleds. Thats not what im selling. Im selling a piece of history. Kind of funny i even give a crap considering these are older than me.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 26, 2015, 05:26:23 AM
If you want to be successful, hang around with successful people. If you dont like the bad economy, then move to the good economy. People in CT work hard and play hard and make good money. We dont trip over dollars to pick up pennys. im not Codfish from the dickerin down east. Im an enthusiast and ive done my homework and read more than prices and pictures.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Tory944 on February 26, 2015, 05:28:55 AM
  Good luck with the sale!   8)  ..................
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Tory944 on February 26, 2015, 05:30:23 AM
  Sounds like you need a vacation!  You're not the only one on here that knows a thing or two about a thing or two.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 26, 2015, 05:32:42 AM
Miles doesnt mean anything. it can have 10 miles and be rotten and banged up. The more miles means the more reliable it was and the more it got driven, which is good. For 35 years this machine was treated like a member of the family. 1980 doesnt seem that long ago but when you look at snowmobiles it seems ancient. Technology didnt really happen till the late 80's. If there are 1000 pieces(nuts, bolts, etc) that make up a snowmobile and you sold each piece for $5...Do i need to do the math for you? Theres more than 1000 and theyre worth more than $5 a piece.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on February 26, 2015, 05:34:25 AM
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Get fired up! Enjoy life while you have it.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Tory944 on February 26, 2015, 05:37:32 AM
LOL ;)
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: jimvw57 on February 26, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
Kind of boils down to what an individual wants and how much they perceive it is worth. Personally I prefer the 1980 4/6 with the individual heads but still the 4 plug motor. it had the vari-ride suspension, the 2 up seat, wider skis, and cooling system of the 82 sled but the motor with the Mikuni carbs is easier to find parts for and the carbs worked better for me.

I like the old school look of the motors  compared to the single head across both cylinders. Even with the uneven cooling this caused, it is a 'looks thing' not a functional thing.
 I also enjoy the restoration part, tracking down the part that is missing, correcting others mistakes, etc combined with the first time it comes to life and the first time down the trail! nothing can compare.

But that is just me. to each his own

Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: DougKauer on February 28, 2015, 11:18:38 PM
Kawasaki sleds are not just a sled to me or other members on this site, if that is what you think then you are very wrong. I was in the military at the age of 19 and I grew up with these sleds. When I saw my 1978 340 Invader for the first time I knew the sled was ahead of it's time. I know these sleds inside and out. I have a great appreciation for them and I do know what the real value is for them, but like what some people say it is only worth what some one is willing to pay for it. So if someone gives you $3000 for it good for you and I'd be happy for you to. Vintage sledding is a passion for all of us, lets not forget this. :) :) :)
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 05, 2015, 07:51:31 AM
thats what i was hoping;) never doubted you guys for a sec.. gotta light some fires over here lol.. i did however consider lowering the price so now i am open to offers or trades. maybe for a newer sled... i will have some new pics up by the weekend so you can really see her beauty! this is a one in a ~4500~...actually its #002693 to be exact. which is one of the 1st ones produced in 1981
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 05, 2015, 09:28:44 PM
SOLD!
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 22, 2015, 01:40:36 AM
i have the nicest ltd left on the planet.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 22, 2015, 01:41:31 AM
seriously, who has ever seen one with the original heat shield over the mufflers?
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 22, 2015, 01:50:24 AM
jk, but maybe..
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 22, 2015, 05:27:44 PM
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Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 24, 2015, 08:43:40 AM
winter...
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 24, 2015, 11:01:11 AM
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Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Interceptor398 on March 24, 2015, 04:35:48 PM
seriously, who has ever seen one with the original heat shield over the mufflers?

I can't find that part in the parts manual.  Only the one under the pipes.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: gixxer6 on March 24, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
I don't think the heat shield is original equipment.  My parts manual doesn't show one either and I have never seen another one. 
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: Interceptor398 on March 24, 2015, 08:03:29 PM
I don't think the heat shield is original equipment.  My parts manual doesn't show one either and I have never seen another one.

It does look very well done!
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 26, 2015, 11:21:47 AM
i have the manual for the 81 ltd and mine doesnt show it either. most manuals have the breakdown pics for the electric start. mine isnt elec start and if there was a battery and tray it wouldnt fit. im convinced based on the quality and the mounts for it that it has to be original. not 100% but close. heres a better pic...
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 26, 2015, 11:25:45 AM
there is also a Q sticker on the headlight latch. anyone seen that before? it is as old as the sled for sure. it might even be cleared into the paint. it has the emblem from the PA dealer it was born from under the windshield.
Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: JOJOLTD on March 26, 2015, 11:26:37 AM
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Title: Re: 1981 Kawasaki LTD
Post by: gixxer6 on March 26, 2015, 02:15:50 PM
i have the manual for the 81 ltd and mine doesnt show it either. most manuals have the breakdown pics for the electric start. mine isnt elec start and if there was a battery and tray it wouldnt fit. im convinced based on the quality and the mounts for it that it has to be original. not 100% but close. heres a better pic...

Wow.  That is very nicely done.