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Gilson435

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Update!! 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« on: January 20, 2016, 10:09:56 AM »
I have a 1980 Intruder. I just replaced the ski skegs with 4" 60deg carbides as that is all that is available or I would have gone with 90deg carbides. I see there are a few adjustments on the rear suspension to reduce ski weight and weight transfer that I plan on experimenting with. One question I have is the front torque arm mounting location on the tunnel. I see there is an upper & lower hole on the tunnel but nowhere in the owners, set up, or service manual mentions anything about it. Only the two locations on the rail are mentioned. Right now it is located in the bottom hole on the tunnel. Is this the factory position? Has anyone played around with the two locations and if so which location are you running in?

Right now my front arm is mounted in the tunnel in the lower holes and upper holes on the rail. Front arm springs are in the stiffest position. Rear spring also stiffest position. It still seems like there is quite a bit of ski pressure and it is a little squirrely on the trail :-\ Maybe too much carbide with no studs?

Thanks!
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 10:59:59 PM by Gilson435 »
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Re: 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 12:14:31 PM »
 I am surprised your Intruder has 2 holes in the tunnel for the front cross shaft. My '79 Invader definitely only has 1 hole drilled in the tunnel.
 Others on here can verify if the newer ones had 2 holes, but I sure don't remember that they did. I wonder if a previous owner drilled another hole to experiment.
 This really slayed me....I looked at a couple shop manual descriptions of the rear suspension adjustments, specifically the 2 holes that you can mount the bottom of the front swing arm to the rails:
  79 Invader manual (and 79 Intruder)--the front swing arm comes from the factory mounted to the top hole. This gives the best overall ride. Moving to the bottom hole gives slightly more ski lift.
  82 Intruder manual--the front swing arm comes from the factory mounted to the BOTTOM hole. This gives the best overall ride.
Moving to the TOP hole gives slightly less ski lift.

Apparently, Kawasaki changed their mind as to which mounting location gave the best overall ride. ???
 I have experimented with both locations, and slightly prefer the bottom hole. It does give a little more ski lift, but the difference is not huge.
You can gain a little ski lift out of a corner, but still rock back forward when entering a corner.
 I have the front springs jacked up to the firmest slot, mainly to reduce ski pressure. It seems my Invader has always had plenty of ski pressure, to the point of hard steering in certain conditions. The front limiter strap is at its longest position.
 I think the steering is very dependent on the ski wear bars. It seems there are only about 3 choices that I know of....standard steel, Bergstrom hard weld, or "Kimpex" (I think) carbides.
 My Invader always steered beautifully with the Bergstom bars. But, I have usually bought carbide bars from Dennis Kirk....whatever brand they are, they have a carbide wear pad at each end of the bar....in addition to the center 4" of carbide. They seemed to increase steering effort a bunch.
 I finally realized that when sitting on a concrete garage floor, the Bergstom bars just touched under the center of the ski, below the spindle.
 I think my skis are still straight, but it seemed that the carbide bars would touch the floor first at the end carbide pads, not the center section under the spindle....that sucked.....I used washers to shim the carbide bars so that they had a slight curvature, so that the center section would contact the floor first. Not the greatest solution in the world, but it dramatically lessened the steering effort, and probably improved the "bite" of the carbides in a corner.
 Let's see who else posts on here about the 2 mounting holes at the front of the tunnel. Certainly, raising the front of the skid to the upper hole in the tunnel would increase ski weight and steering effort.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 12:20:49 PM by rminier »
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Re: 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 01:00:47 PM »
Thanks for the reply Rminier :) I guess it is possible that someone drilled new holes :-\ I'll have to check and see how the carbides are sitting on the floor... I was hoping to buy the 3" 90deg carbides and I realize the 4" 60 deg are pretty aggressive for not having studs. Yes she's takes plenty of effort to turn it ;) I was thinking that I'd try the stiffer ski spring location too.  If the tunnel is only suppose to have one set of holes does anyone have a measurement so I can determine the stock location? 
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Re: 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM »
You can see in the bulkhead pic the 1980 Invader/Intruder have two front arm mounting holes.

Only one hole in 1979 and different part numbers...

So any info on the two locations for mounting the front arm in 1980?? Which hole is stock? Lower hole for deep snow?
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81 Pantera,93 Jag,(2)94 Cougars, (2)Prowlers, (2)Z440's
2002 Polaris XCSP 800

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Re: 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 03:13:50 PM »
 Well.....I got home from work and see that there are 2 holes in the bracket. On my '79, only the top bracket hole is drilled through the aluminum tunnel.
Perhaps you're right about the bottom hole being used for deep snow.....or some serious ski lift at the drags.. ;)
« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 03:16:32 PM by rminier »
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Re: 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 03:22:19 PM »
Thanks for the pics 8)

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Re: 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 10:59:18 PM »
Well I took out the rear suspension, cleaned & greased all the shafts, installed a couple heli coils as some of the shaft threads came out with the bolts. I then installed it using the top holes in the tunnel for the front arm and bottom holes where it mounts to the rail. Front arm springs in 2nd(middle) notch. Rear shock spring set on stiffest setting. Adjust and align the track and off for a test ride!! All I can say is WOW!!! This is a totally different sled now and I wish I would have done this sooner! This thing handles and rides Awesome now!! I just can't believe how much of a difference that made! 
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Re: Update!! 1980 Intruder rear suspension set up....
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2016, 08:32:42 AM »
 Very cool.....always nice when things work out for the better. :)
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